Why you should not join WebProsperity!

15 comments

1. 

   Linda Yates / December 31, 2008

   I think all of your comments are well thought out, logical, and that submitting a name to this company is simply asking for major trouble. I know several people who are promoting it online. I can only imagine their motivation, but I don’t like it!

   Keep up the good work, Greg. Networking is fantastic business, but it’s the bad guys that give it a nasty reputation. The more we do to stop them initially the better we make lives for ALL of us.

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   ERichNWise / January 1, 2009

   Wow! definately dont see the value in going down the road with WebProsperity. thanks for the heads up.

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   Ben Wardlaw / January 2, 2009

   Thanks for your valuable insights.

   Now for the 64 dollar question?

   What do you recommend as a viable, long-term business opportunity for those of us who are looking for one.

   Many blessings,

   Ben Wardlaw
   ALMOST PARADISE
   Hilton Head Island, SC USA
   Psalm 150:6

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   JenniferF / January 2, 2009

   I agree 100% with all your points.

   As far as re-order? My understanding was it’s a “one time” purchase, you just continue to pay monthly to take advantage of the compensation plan…. In a ‘real’ Network Marketing company, compensation is based on re-order of consumable products or services each month – not let’s pay you a commission back based on your subscription fee.

   This program also brings two questions to mind for me…

   Would a logical thinking person spend this money for this ‘product/service” if there were NOT a compensation plan attached?

   My personal answer to that question would be “NO”. All of these things can be found elsewhere for free.

   Second question: Does the income stop when the recruiting stops?

   My personal answer to that is “Yes” – When it’s a ‘one time purchase’ – then all you have left is to keep recruiting new people in.

   Mr. D’ MAY be a financial wizard, as HE claims, but that does not mean the compensation plan is fair for the distributors … to me it just means he knows how to make the numbers work for his advantage.

   I also take BIG issue with his statement that he has “Studied” Network Marketing for 20 years… I’d rather be working with someone who has ACTUALLY been in the field – built a downline and knows what it’s like out there… not just sat behind a desk ‘studying’.

   Wonder how long it will take before this program raises the FTC flag? Smells like a border line, hair splitting – PONZI to me.
   ~Jennifer

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   Margaret Flanigan / January 5, 2009

   You are making some excellent points here. I think you should emphasize the point about uploading your contact list into the system. It looks to me this is what the project is all about… building Darcangelo’s list.

   I don’t think the program will last very long because I think most people will find it to be wildly overpriced. I doubt if it is really intended to to last more than a year because it will have served it’s purpose once everyone has uploaded their lists.

   A suspect that another purpose of this huge hyped-up pre-launch may be to help Darcangelo distance himself from GBG which seems to be having one serious problem after another lately.

   Thanks for speaking out about this and for making such a well thought out post.

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   Lorraine / January 5, 2009

   Good for you for calling out the crooks.

   If there is no real product, does that not make it an illegal pyramid scheme?

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   Adam Pichardo / January 5, 2009

   Great post. I too have seeing that flashy site being heavily advertised. As the poster states, there is no real product. If there is no real product, then there is no real value. People will continue to purchase from you if you can offer something of value. This is why so many of these startups come and go and it’s because they offer no value. It’s all a money making scheme. I have only been in network marketing for only a few months now and I can tell from experiences so far, I have been enticed by these get rich quick or forced matrix schemes but they all seem to be too good to be true. It also does not feel right to ask others to put money into something that will give much benefit mentally, physically, or spiritually. Just my 2 cents.

   Adam
   Online Marketing Mentor
   http://www.mlmtrainingmentor.com

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   John Counsel / January 6, 2009

   By giving the company access to your contacts list, you may leave yourself open to prosecution for breaching privacy laws: your contacts have NOT given you consent to release that information to third parties.

   This kind of compensation plan rings alarm bells on several levels. It certainly doesn’t match what the typical part-time network marketers does in practice. (See http://EvaluateMLM.com for more info.)

   John Counsel
   CEO, The Profit Clinic
   http://SUCCESSinNetworkMarketing.com

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   Joe Job / January 6, 2009

   My postings at David D’Archangelo’s blog were deleted. Over there, my postings were of an innocent nature, in my own opinion, yet David chose to delete them rather than come forward to defend his position.

   These are my deleted posts over at David’s blog:

   Post 1
   It’s obvious David is not interested in the millions of internet savvy english writing and speaking Asians, or else he never come to this part of the world before. I wonder why he bother to call this opportunity international if he conveniently blind-sided himself to the Asia potential, or are Asians to figure out the time zones of the launch? I didn’t even bother to check when it launches, for why should we if the co-founder doesn’t bother.

   Just to recap, David. The internet world is not just 12 Noon EST (9 AM Pacific, 5 PM UK, 6 PM Europe). It is India, Australia, China, South East Asia, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia, etc.

   The total English speaking population of savvy internet users in these Asian countries would have drowned the whole population of UK and Europe combined. Furthermore, most in Europe do not even write or speak in English and their business websites are not in English either.

   Unless you are telling us that you have the same pre-launch website in German, Italian, French, Hungarian, Dutch, Polish. Doubt so. So, would like to see a larger focus on the Asia-Australia zone before claiming your captive audience is international.

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   Post 2 (After a poster replied to me. His post was also deleted)

   The reason for the rant is simple. It is not a matter of figuring it out. Like when Alan Greenspan sneezes, the market catches a cold.

   So, respectfully, if the co-founder inadvertently or deliberatley leaves out a large chunk of his “captive audience”, then either his marketing research shows there is nothing much happening in Asia-Aust zone, or his marketing research tells him many French, Germans, Hungarians and Italians in Europe will be signing up. For your info, French, Germans, Hungarians and Italians are not English and these countries constitute 80% of the total population of Western Europe.

   So, it is not a notion of “can’t please everybody’. It’s the message put across by the founder that will be read like how everyone read Bernake or Greenspan make their announcements. We all do read between the lines.

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   PS: It brought back memories of 2003, when I participated in a program known as CAN, based in Spain. Myself and my relatives lost alot of money when we bought many positions after reading the hugely positive comments in the CAN forum. Forum was still rather new then in 2003 and so in honesty, we all believed every posts glorifying the CAN program. After the program stalled without any initial payout, my posts in the CAN forum were similarly deleted and I had to seek my lawyer for advice. The company CAN went into silent mode and all its websites were taken down, with 403 errors. I never hear from these fraudsters anymore. It is not easy to track them down, but I have engaged PIs to hunt them down and hopefully bring them to justice. But knowing how complicated the cross-country laws are, the step to prosecute is somewhat constrained.

   Now, I am seeing the same one-sided super positive comments posted at David’s blog. My advice to readers is this. Do not believe everything you read there. You can bet your last dollar that those posts which question the validity and popularity of the Webprosperity program are not posted in their own blog. To me, that is misleading the prospects into believing that it is a program not to be missed and in the absence of a counterpoint, it will be easier to brain-wash. That is deceit marketing, IMHO. I fell for it in 2003 and I would be really foolish if I fall for it again. So, I like to take this opportunity to caution readers.
   If it is too good to be true, it most probably is. Don’t be brainwashed.

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    Daniel McGonagle / January 6, 2009

    NOTE TO ADMIN: Please delete previous post with all the typos. Might wanna get AJAX edit comments plugins for your blog to allow your commenters time to fix typos.

    Hey, finally, someone to disagree with this.

    That’s a great way to stand out from the pack, whether or not you’re right doesn’t matter. You’re getting attention now and controversy brings those negative ones flocking to disparage that which they cannot or will not take part of.

    This happens every big product launch. I wrote a controversial/negative post for Mike Filsaime’s Traffic Fusion product and the negativity caused a stir.

    Then I was ranked #1 for that ADSURF DAILY fiasco, and that caused more of a stir.

    Anyhoo, just eductating your readers, like you are…. that writing negative about that which you are not involved or very knowledgeable is good for you.

    Makes people trust you…

    Deceit marketing, OMG no virtual products???

    Since I don’t see a name capture system on your blog, I assume you’re unaware of something called an Autoresponder?

    Yeah, it’s this thing that allows you to email your customers, clients and prospects…

    Actually, if a piece of software tied into a database and makes up what we call a service. Thousands of people use these in their every day marketing.

    But I guess it’s not very valuable to them though, cuz it ain’t a physical product.

    LOL!

    Ever use Audio on your sites?

    Wait I’ll stop here, I don’t want to list ALL the services you’re knocking for their intangibility aspect.

    Let’s focus on the fine print, yeah, the fine print, the stuff nobody reads, but stuff that anyone can pick apart.

    It doesn’t really matter what you write or what I write…

    People coming here and posting here have their minds made up already, and will leave your site more confident in their anti-WebProsperity rants due to fine print legalese you pointed out, or due to the “virtuality” of MLM products, which you disparage.

    OR, they’ll walk away thinking you’re soph-more-ic.

    From Latin:

    SOPH= wisdom, wise
    MORE= foolish (moron)

    Yyou sound knowledgeable and your points are well put but you dug deep enoug huntil you found what you were looking for…

    Why not link to this video here which explains the compensation plan, and let people think for themselves?

    http://webprosperityreview.org/webprosperity-compensation-plan-money-webprosperity

    I know you think you’re right.

    So do I…

    I hope we can agree to disagree here…

    This anti-MLM, anti-fear-mongering blogger wishes you and your readers a great and webProsperous 2009!

    Thanks,

    Dan

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    Mike / January 7, 2009

    This is basically a Implix company that was formed to increase the market for their products. It was co-founded by David D’arcangelo, and Implix CEO/Owner Simon Grabowski. Technically, it may be a separate company, but in reality it is Implix into network marketing. The webpros products are for most part Implix products, perhaps with a slightly different flavor. But Implix has been doing that for years. They will private brand for almost any of their products for just about anybody who asks. Now, here’s the problem. Why would anybody that is familiar with these products join a network marketing company to get them? If I want the autoresponder, I’m just going directly to Implix and getting it (it’s Implix’s GetResponse). What will the price be in Webpros? Two to three times as much perhaps. Network marketing products are always sky high in price. They have to be to support the commission payouts and bonuses. So who will they market the products to? Just like every other MLM company, they will cram the stuff down the throats of their independent distributors. So, there’s no market for the products and the comp plan is absolutely ridiculous. I see now hope at all for this thing

12. 

    Shirley / January 11, 2009

    How can you logically judge a company before it even has a chance to get started? What if this is the answer that a lot of people have been waiting for. What if this is just that break that could change the lives of so many people? I think that who ever the owner of this blog site is has a personal issue with David. Maybe you wouldn’t put stock into anything he puts his name on, but at least he puts his name out there – why isn’t your name listed any where in all the “insightful” information that you had to share with all of us? Maybe this company will not work and maybe it will, that is the risk you take when starting any company – MLM or otherwise. So what if he is just collecting email addresses – if that’s all he wanted there are easier and cheaper ways of doing it than developing a company to get those. Also I might add – that the initial signups are free and you are NOT obligated further with this company if you choose not to be.

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    Steve / January 14, 2009

    I have been watching the Web Prosperity launch very carefully. The tools “sounded” good and if they lived up to expectations I would have been happy to promote them and the company. I was most interested in the media and meeting components.

    All the other tools I could take or leave really as I have a very good contact management system in Oprius.

    I am very disappointed with the Web Prosperity autoresponder because they only allow you to have one campaign. That is just flat out ridiculous for an autoresponder. That could be changed easily enough and I will wait a little while longer before I write the whole project off.

    One of my associates gave the Webinar/Meeting feature a good test and you can read his scathing review on my Web Prosperity Review Blog here. He actually mailed his list and apologized for recommending it.

    I’m not writing it off just yet but if some of these major issues aren’t addressed promptly, I will have absolutely no qualms walking away from the commissions I would have earned.

    I’d rather have a clear conscience than a fat wallet…if I can’t use it I won’t recommend it.

    Steve A.

    P.S I would love for this to workout as much as anyone but hey, you can’t turn a pigs ear into a silk purse…

14. 

    Bob / January 15, 2009

    I think this post was very well researched and thought out, and even includes a personal story of dealings with the founder of this company. The New Year always brings with it NEW opportunities and efforts. Lets remember that the 3%, which are the people online that create programs for the masses to join always have 3 goals in mind. 1- To sell product 2- To grow their databases or 3- To get others to promote their brand and company…FREE SALESFORCE.
    There is nothing wrong with this…if you are one of the 3%. But unfortunately, the masses which are desperately trying to believe in a little effort, cash windfall opportunity, always get hurt in one way or the other. To truly make money online, you must become a 3% person. Promote and sell your own products or services everyday. That’s it, no other mysticism required. I think his post is very enlightened and you can either take it or leave it alone.

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    Paul Sant / January 30, 2009

    The webprosperity’s matrix is finished building an hour ago and from the blog, it says all is well. BUT all is NOT well. The much anticipated spillover that got most excited with regards to its forced 2×15 matrix, DID NOT HAPPEN. No spillovers at all. ZILT! ZERO! This is the the most hyped-up piece of trash to ever grace the MLM and internet marketplace.

    During the pre-launch, my genealogy has two spillovers of PAID members from my uplines when it should not be since the matrix is not compressed then. So, why did I get 2 PAID spillovers then? This is highly irregular.

    Now, after the launch and when the matrix is compressed by flushing out the unpaid members, the two PAID members in my spillover conveniently or strangely disappeared from my genealogy.

    Now, I can only see my personally enrolled and PAID members. The much anticipated spillover from my uplines NEVER materialised. Nothing.

    So, there you have it, Ben. You are right all along. In the blog, members are talking about training new members on the use of the products and applauding the products. BUT no one talks about the spillover or the total lack of it. This is so obviously ghost writers pitching their own agenda on the blog.

    Now, WP is hyping about the products and is silent on why there is no spillovers. A forced 2×15 matrix must result in spillovers since David boasted that 100,000 had activated their positions and became PAID members. Mathematically, to fill a forced 2×15 matrix, with David at the top, takes only 32,000 odd PAID members. So, with 100,000 PAID members already by the last day of pre-launch, the matrix would have bursted its rim 3 times over.

    Not writing to express this at the WP blog because it would be moderated for sure. So, this is sharing the sinking feeling with other similar lambs like me who looks at the opportunity and compensation rather than the products. In any case, the products I have tried out and they are buggy and basic. So, the products are definitely overpriced by market standards, as others can attest to it.

    Hope others can share their honest views about WP and not allow the deceit to flourish and suck more innocent people into it. David is definitely proving that he will never change his ways and his past is dubious at most, for those who do a little research on him, it is not difficult to find out about him. I am totally waylaid with my own eyes opened but I am still opening my eyes, now even wider in bewilderment at how this deceit is gonna play out soon.